The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame 2012 Nomination Cluelessness

With so many radio & television personalities in the music industry tossing out their public discontent about the shenanigans that the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame gives us each and every year; I felt that it was high time for the PiercingMetal Blog to offer a take on this as well.

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To start I would like to thank the committee that sits on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame judging panel for once again providing amusement and numerous levels of argument from the fans of Hard Rock, Classic Rock and Heavy Metal music by offering up a list of nominees that are bound to set people on their ear. I will admit this to you readers very early on because one of my main points of disdain with the Rock Hall comes from their continual oversight of the band KISS who are not only my favorite group of them all, but are also a band that has been eligible for inclusion for about thirteen years. If you don’t know the skinny on how groups become eligible, here is a brief on the process:

The Criteria: Currently, groups or individuals are qualified for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Nominees should have demonstrable influence and significance within the history of rock and roll. Four categories are recognized: Performers, Non-Performers, Early Influences, and Sidemen (as of 2000). However, fans have no input concerning who is nominated or elected to the hall.

There you have it. It’s kind of simple to see isn’t it and maybe this is why KISS as a band is not in the Hall. Have they influenced anyone or offered any significance up for Rock and Roll music as a medium? Of course they have and while originally influenced by the likes of Alice Cooper and the New York Dolls, the guys in KISS showed you just what you could do with a Heavy Rock show and how successful an identity can become. To my knowledge KISS has never even been nominated once. It’s almost as if someone who sits on the controlling board of the committee has a personal vendetta against the band. Alright, I can keep going on this for awhile, but shall stop so I can examine a little bit more of the the current list of nominees.

The rundown of the 2012 Nominees for the “Esteemed Hall” include: The Beastie Boys, The Cure, Donovan, Erik B. and Rakim, Guns ‘n Roses, Heart, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Freddie King, Laura Nyro, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rufus wth Chaka Khan, The Small Faces/The Faces, The Spinners, Donna Summer, War.

Once you have shook your head and composed yourself we can continue as I go over which ones I think are okay in my book and why some of the other choices are a little less than worthy of induction at this particular time. I know that this will very likely piss some people off but let’s face it, every music fan has their own personal list of who is better than the next and if this happens to spark some debate or raises questions about the overall process then so be it. At the end of the list I will tally up the “Yays” against the “Nays”. Let’s get down to business.

The Beastie Boys: Even though I realize and remember the popularity that The Beastie Boys had with their “License To Ill” album and recognize the fact that they were once a kind of Hardcore Punk band, but in the end they were largely known as a Hip Hop group and I don’t consider Hip Hop something that should be in the “Rock and Roll” Hall of Fame.  It’s as simple as that and I am not being closed minded here.

The Cure: The British Rock/New Wave band The Cure are a good band but like many are finding their best years behind them. That is not the question here however and more of do they belong in the Rock Hall. For me the view is that “yes, eventually, but not right now”. The New Wave great Billy Idol is not yet in the Hall and that makes no sense.

Donovan: I was too young to fully appreciate the talents of the Sunshine Superman when he was the most active so I will leave this one alone.

Erik B. and Rakim: Clearly this is a Hip Hop act and my statement on this still holds true. “Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame” not “Rock and Rap Hall Of Fame”. We already have Run DMC in the Hall and Grandmaster Flash and the committee doesn’t seem to care that this is breaking the mold they have set up. I guess we can count on Sugar Hill Gang, 2Live Crew, Tupac or Biggie next year huh? Mind you I am not adverse to a Hip Hop Hall of Fame. Perhaps someone should get moving on that idea for good measure.  Let the Rap fans scream when Anthrax gets nominated for that Halls process 🙂

Guns ‘n Roses: I loved the GnR stuff since I first heard them with their “Live ?!*@ Like a Suicide” EP that someone I knew had taped. I never managed to locate a real copy when it was around back then but did get the classic “Appetite” release when it came out and still have it to this very day. The thing is while I consider Guns to be one of the true great Rock bands of our time I felt that other bands belonged in the Hall before them. Maybe in a couple of more years but right now not too much.

Heart: The same applies for Heart in my humble opinion and while this might get some people crazy on me and turn a few barracudas loose in terms of comments, the very sound that Heart was doing was the end result of numerous influences who are not yet in the famed Hall. The Wilson sisters are amazing at what they do without a doubt but like the Guns nomination just above I feel that some other acts need to be recognized first. The ladies might have been around a little longer than one that quickly comes to mind and that is Pat Benetar. To me, Pat had no less than three songs to every main hit by Heart and while I would love them to be in the place, please take your place in line.

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts: She might not give a damn about her bad reputation but she has to like being nominated for the Rock Hall. I had a lot of love for the original Joan material that she worked so hard at with Ricky Byrd and the other members of The Blackhearts. This was a good choice for me. When I learned of Joan being on the potential nominees list, I dug into one of my old cassette boxes for a homemade “best of” that I made so long ago. Of course I then realized that I did not connect the tape deck to the main stereo properly when I put it all together and forgot to address it. Sigh. Guess I will just listen to “I Love Rock and Roll” on CD now.

Freddie King: I don’t know enough about the Bluesman Freddie King so shall offer up no opinion on his contributions to music. I will say that he is cited as being one of the “Three Kings of Electric Blues Guitar” if you are to follow what his Wikipedia entry says about him. His nomination comes decades after his passing in 1976.

Laura Nyro: Nyro was one of the many talented songwriters that came out of the historic Brill Building. I am certainly not going to question one who penned material and hits for bands like Three Dog Night, Blood Sweat and Tears and the 5th Dimension. Sadly, Laura also is a deceased nominee and passed away in 1997.

Red Hot Chili Peppers: Personally I have never been more than a casual fan of the RHCP and if not for my close friend Joe would likely have started to listen to them much later than I did. I felt that their earliest material was the most profound and important stuff in their career and like many others bands are long past their prime. However, inclusion in the Rock Hall before bands like Jane’s Addiction get in, no way, I am sorry but just no.

Rufus wth Chaka Khan: Rufus was the Funk band that gave us singer Chaka Khan and I know less than nothing about them since I was not listening to Funk music at that time. I was a wee lad back then but I did enjoy the “Tell Me Something Good” song. It was solid I guess but does this make them more of a worthy inclusion into the Rock Hall than the late great Rick James?? I hardly think so.

The Small Faces/The Faces: When I mentioned this particular nomination to a friend of mine he was surprised as the two groups are very different from one another in terms of their musical output and influence. As the Small Faces they were a Mod band that featured Steve Marriott on vocals (who also rose to greater fame in Humble Pie) and Ronnie Lane. The Faces was more of a combining of the now defunct Small Faces and the Jeff Beck band and was something Psychedelic. I think that each deserves a nomination on their own merits and not as a part of a package deal.

The Spinners: Motown stuff makes very much sense. Moving on.

Donna Summer: The Queen Of Disco in the Rock Hall? Come on guys, what are you smoking and can you please send over a little bit of it for those stressful nights at the Command Center? I was not behind Madonna’s inclusion in the Rock Hall and kind of feel the same about the polyester suits and the Disco movement.

War: This was never a band that I followed in any sense but I did love their songs “Low Rider”, “Spill The Wine” and “Why Can’t We Be Friends”. I have to admit that the latter I heard the most from the parody song “Mr. Jaws” because I am vintage and it intrigued me. These three tunes from the Funk Rock band were probably the ones that put them on the map most at the end of the day. I am still not sure what made the committee interested in them beyond this.

From this list of nominees I count about four complete no’s with Beastie Boys, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Eric B. and Rakim and Donna Summer. For me their sound and style and the stuff that made them musically relevant was just not Rock and Roll. The bands that I felt were possible good inclusions but just not yet amounted to four as well with Guns, Heart, RHCP and The Cure. These are good bands but other groups belong in the Hall and being honored before they are added. Like I said earlier, this is just my opinion on this. You will possibly disagree. The rest I am okay with based on not knowing 100% what led to the choice or by being in full agreement with them. Remember, they only choose a few of these nominees out of the whole batch and not the entire lot of them.

Being fair there are some groups that I find important to my own musical mind who are now finally in the Rock Hall and these artists include Alice Cooper, Van Halen, Metallica, Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd. Despite this we need to face facts for a moment because the list of omissions of note is an incredible one. The first ones I can come up with are KISS, Rush, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Poison, The Sweet, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Motorhead, Billy Idol, Cheap Trick, and many, many more. All of these groups are not only favored personal choices but also are very important to the very fabric of Rock music as we know it and these I am sure that most will agree upon. I will let you readers offer more insight onto some of them in the comments area.

As I said when I started this piece the idea was just to toss the views into the blog for our readers to enjoy and possibly bicker about because if there is one thing a Rock fan is, and that is passionate about our music.  As a journalist running a web resource like PiercingMetal for almost seven years it is wise to participate in the news of the musical day.  Since I hardly think I will see the day when more of my Metal favorites will ever make the cut such as Motley Crue, W.A.S.P., Slayer, HIM, Nightwish and hundreds upon hundreds more, I have to wonder if a Metal Hall of Fame can ever happen. If it does, please put it in a place like NYC or LA. I promise to visit and blog about its existence when you do.

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10 thoughts on “The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame 2012 Nomination Cluelessness”

  1. Excellent work Ken! Nice Summary on The artist Being Inducted this year. Right off the bat rap artist do not belong in the R&R hall of fame,Then again neither do most rock bands based on who they pick. Nothing against rap, I was a fan of the beasties,Run DMC,Public Enemy and so forth But they are not rock plain and simple. Joan Jett…Ahhh I don’t know, She is more famous for all her cover songsand not her originals. Was never a fan of GNR or the cure and their contribution in my mind were very little. I heard the RNR Hall of fame wanted to change their 25 year rule as to rush bands like nirvana in. meanwhile the biggest Hard Rock and Metal Bands Of the 80’s have been completely ignored. Metal was the biggest thing in the world that decade and to slight those bands is insane. I hope you repeat this column every year. Great work.

  2. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is weighted and biased against progressive rock bands, heavy metal bands, and artists that the nominating committee (basically the editorial board of Rolling Stone) don’t put on the cover on a regular basis. Sometimes I’m amazed that Van Halen, Metallica and Floyd got in at all.

    That said, here’s TEN bands that should be in and have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting to Cleveland:

    Deep Purple. Iron Maiden. Jane’s Addiction. Judas Priest. King’s X. Motörhead. Queensrÿche. Rush. Scorpions. Yes and every 80s metal band not ending in ‘tallica. To say nothing of important artists like Henry Rollins who wouldn’t touch the Hall with a ten foot pole.

    I can partially–PARTIALLY agree with this year’s nominee list–glad to see Heart and Joan Jett on the list. I like the Chilis but they’re on there because they sell records–they’ve had TWO great albums (Mother’s Milk, Blood Sugar Sex Magik) in their career and the rest has been inconsistent.

    I can’t stand the Cure.

    Guns N’ Roses–I know they were hugely influential but again–ONE good record does not the Hall make. And who’s going to show up to accept? Steven Adler?

  3. There’s nothing really that i can add to that the Big Cheese did not already do. Maybe it should have been better since the start to just include American Artists in R & R Hall of Fame. The line up for this year is the worst ever I think. The method seems to be this : Choose a couple of dead people, couple of bands/artists of Singer/Song Writers, a couple of bands that involves African Americans and a couple of bands that actually are Rock. This really is a joke.

  4. Who cares who gets picked? For the life of me, I’ll never understand why people get so worked up about this.

  5. Looking through the list (before reading this blog) I jotted down my 1st take gut reaction to each band. I ended up with but a few responses set on shuffle:

    1) Absolutely deserving based on musical/cultural impact
    & legacy … though probably not my first choice of a nominee (Heart, Beasties, Freddie)

    2) I don’t know enough about the career of this nominee
    to say yes/no … but that fact alone says something about if they deserve to be nominated as I’ll arrogantly
    say that I think I know something of music’s past trendsetters but I’m happy to be given a new page for my history book (Eric B/Rakim, Nyro, Rufus, Spinners)

    3) ‘uh, okay,’ read as: on some intrinsic level I understand the nomination as these are great groups …
    but ‘really, you’re a nominee? I mean, you’re good, but’ … I guess my definition of what makes a hall of famer is different. (GNR, Cure, Donovan, Donna Summer, War)

    4) Ah, the left field/red-herring inclusion. (Joan Jett, RHCP, Faces/Small Faces)

    Sadly, I must agree with everyone and echo the disappointment in seeing more and non-rockers in the R’N’R Hall of Fame. If one is strict about the definition of rock I find only Heart, Nyro, GNR, Cure, Donovan, Joan Jett, RHCP, Faces/Small Faces remaining as eligible. Am I correctly remembering that there are only 7 final awards? Well, just remove one of the above and you’ve got your 7! We’re done.

    But, you’ll also see that this gets rid of ALL racial
    minorities (unless Brits are a race … and as far as I know Robert Smith of the Cure isn’t even gay) and thus we see why it’s good to have non-rockers. I guess it’s actually ‘the R’N’R & It’s Influences & PC Minority Step-Children Hall Of Fame.’

    There is also an abundance of bands that just feel too young: Jett, RHCP, G’N’R, Cure, War. Or, as was stated – one great album doth not make a hall o’famer. (Note I only include the rockers in this charge … War, with Eric Burden is to me rock … but after his departure went to R&B & fall out of this list … but with Burden had one good album)

    In the end, all great bands. No doubt. Have you listened
    to some of Freddie’s solos lately? And, besides the fact that growing up I had a crush on Ann Wilson growing up pop on a Heart album and rock the night out (though really its the Wilson sisters who deserve the nomination). But, when one considers the Hall of Fame recognizing the BEST, let alone legacy makers … there’s a lot of BEST bands that are out that that
    deserve the recognition long before ANYONE on this list.
    Heart might be the strongest nominee given this requirement being women pioneers in hard rock (has Suzi Quatro got in yet?) … but, echoing above, when Deep Purple, Rush, Yes, ELP, Judas Priest are still missing and probably have greater musical impact … how can one possibly not laugh when seriously considering the Faces as a nominee? (And, yes, the Faces/Small Faces are two different bands, akin to Genesis (3 bands), Fleetwood Mac (4 bands), Savatage (5 bands))

  6. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a complete and utter joke. FIrst of all, The Small Faces & The Faces were 2 completely different bands, and it’s a shame that they had to wait this long to be nominated. While they are at it, Steve Marriott’s other band Humble Pie need to get in on this as well. Joan Jett? Please, she had 1 big hit. Gun n Roses? Enormously popular yes, but extremely low on recorded output in the many years of their existence. Beastie Boys? Not rock and roll, sorry.Erik B? Rakim? Please…Kudos though for Heart finally getting a nod, another band that should have been recognized years ago. Still no Rush, KISS, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, Yes, Grand Funk, ELO, Kansas…come on people.

  7. At the expense of a long, ranting post, I’ll say this. The list for this years nominees is absoultely mind boggling. It’s almost as if those who decide the list have absolutely no idea about the bands – Faces / Small Faces – two different bands – different styles!!! And the commenter who mentioned Humble Pie – right on! Where are they??

    Red Hot Chilli Peppers and Guns n’ Roses – two very trendy bands who aped everything from bands who will never get nominated like Bad Brains (RHCP) and Rose Tattoo (Gn’R). As for the other nominees like Eric B and Rakim? NOT Rock n’ Roll. Are they trying to show that they are “not racist” by this list!!?

    And – the Dictators Go Girl Crazy! album is on display in the Hall’s Punk Wing as is Manitoba’s jacket – but will the ‘tators ever be inducted!!!

  8. Here are the top 25 vote-getters (year 2011) on the “Deserving of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame” list at:

    The 2012 nominees for the R&R HoF are (# indicates where they were on my list at the time of their nomination): Red Hot Chili Peppers (#19), Guns n’ Roses (#25), Joan Jett (#60), The Beastie Boys (#168), Heart (#12), Freddie King (#181), Laura Nyro (#191), Rufus with Chaka Khan (#421), Donna Summer (#212), The Faces/Small Faces (#232), The Spinners (#82), Donovan (#30), The Cure (#43), Eric B. & Rakim (#949), War (#64)

    1) Rush

    2) Chicago

    3) Yes

    4) Deep Purple

    5) Doobie Brothers

    6) Moody Blues

    7) Dire Straits

    8) The Cars

    9) Electric Light Orchestra

    10) Jethro Tull

    11) Pete Townshend (solo)

    12) Heart

    13) Journey

    14) Steve Miller

    15) Carole King

    16) Styx

    17) Kiss

    18) Peter Gabriel (solo)

    19) Red Hot Chili Peppers

    20) Squeeze

    21) Stevie Ray Vaughan

    22) Jim Croce

    23) The Guess Who

    24) Foreigner

    25) Guns N’ Roses

  9. Kiss & Rush aren’t in but Joan Jett gets nominated? What a joke. She had what, 3 hits that all sucked. Unbelievable.

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